Do You Believe In Ghosts?
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Seno Ypsamee
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Speaking of which, I know someone like that, it's funny to ask him about ghosts, he goes all "nothing is supernatural except God," which, in a sense, is an oxymoron...Fragclone said:i believe in anything supernatural. i hate those peopke [somewhat religious pople] who say their god [not refering to aany main god] is the only thing supernatural.
Anyways, as I've already stated, I don't believe in ghosts as portrayed in movies, but let me go a little more into detail as what I believe...
I don't believe ghosts are lost souls that had no where to go after death
I do believe that, as a Christian, spirits of demons or angels can come to earth to harm or protect us, respectively. When I say ghosts, I mainly mean spirits in a sense like this.
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BlacRoseImmortal
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Seno 'Ypsamee said:Speaking of which, I know someone like that, it's funny to ask him about ghosts, he goes all "nothing is supernatural except God," which, in a sense, is an oxymoron...
Anyways, as I've already stated, I don't believe in ghosts as portrayed in movies, but let me go a little more into detail as what I believe...
I don't believe ghosts are lost souls that had no where to go after death
I do believe that, as a Christian, spirits of demons or angels can come to earth to harm or protect us, respectively. When I say ghosts, I mainly mean spirits in a sense like this.
And I suport that totally even though I believe in the whole enchilada lol.
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i agree, YAY!!!!!!!!!!! 600 POST!!!!!!!!!!! TIME TO PARTY!!!!!!!!!Seno 'Ypsamee said:Speaking of which, I know someone like that, it's funny to ask him about ghosts, he goes all "nothing is supernatural except God," which, in a sense, is an oxymoron...
Anyways, as I've already stated, I don't believe in ghosts as portrayed in movies, but let me go a little more into detail as what I believe...
I don't believe ghosts are lost souls that had no where to go after death
I do believe that, as a Christian, spirits of demons or angels can come to earth to harm or protect us, respectively. When I say ghosts, I mainly mean spirits in a sense like this.
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Seno Ypsamee
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lol, yeah. I guess it's just different people have different views. I really don't care what you believe in, I'm not gonna try to pound my beliefs in your head and make you believe them. As a matter of fact, people that do that piss me off. I support whatever you believe in, it's your life and your opinions. It's the same with games, if someone flat out says "lol halo iz da worse eva" I'm going to give them a piece of my mind, but if they legitimately say it in a sense like "I don't like Halo too much, I personally think Gears of War is better," then that is an opinion I can accept.BlacRoseImmortal said:
I hate people that just flat out bash someone else's views or, in in the case above, people's hobbies or favorite things. Usually they only do it to start "flaem warz lol"
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Deadguy
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ghosts and stuff are funny things.. I've experienced enough to know that there are things that happen which are outside the scope of "normal" that simply can't be explained away as ANYTHING. These events are usually lumped under the term "ghost happenings" but if anything, they should merely be considered supernatural.
For example, poltergeist activity is supposed to be a dead person moving stuff around.. really? someone decided a dead person must be doing that? I fail to see the connection, except in folklore, fairy tales, and fiction.
I usually don't share that view with folks, but that's kinda' my take on it.
I DO make the association with an "entity" sometimes, because it makes it easier to wrap my brain around. Such as a floating pitcher of water, dropped on the floor, associates easily with a sentient intelligence deciding to move something carefully and then just drop it when discovered. I'm careful though in an investigation, because assuming it's an entity can close your eyes to other options.
Who knows what that entity is though, or why it's there. I'll tell you a common thread though that runs through most of the "true stories" I've encountered; Look for the water.
Typically, an investigation will reveal that a "haunted" location is either very close to an underground water source, or a dried-up underground water source. I recognize that covers a lot of ground, but it would seem that there's theories developing regarding the ability to store visual information in dried water and certain types of wood.
It's suggested that these can replay segments of visual information, but there's nothing to suggest how it specifically works.
Even though the theory sort of limits itself to visual apparitions that don't react to the modern world, or any changes made since the recording was made, the common thread of water also extends to other types of "hauntings".
Personally, I've never experienced a visual haunting, where I saw an apparition.. but I've seen and/or heard things being moved around.
Other hauntings are things like voices on audio recordings.. those are neat, and I've run into some really cool ones, but EVP (Extra Voice Phenomenon) is too easily faked to be taken too seriously. However, if YOU control the conditions, and still end-up getting weird stuff, it's pretty damn cool... No one will ever beleive you didn't fake them yourself though. It's just a really neat "chill up your spine" moment.
"photo Orbs" well.. those have an interesting history, and I'm not into those. The other "ball lightning" orbs are pretty neat though. Some folks claim they've talked to them and seen it's movements seem to reflect answers, reactions, and/or moods. I'd love to be there for that.
Apparently, I missed a pretty good chance when I was invited to a retirement home in Tennessee to investigate some ball orbs witnessed repeatedly by staff members. They had ten witnesses to these orbs, in varying colors, going through walls, smoking and stuff, on a minimum of 17 separate events in various locations on the site. The only reason I didn't go was because the actual property owners were going to be away for a month, and had specifically told the staff that they wouldn't authorize an investigation. In other words, the staff was setting it up behind the backs of the owners, and that's not cool from a legal or moral standpoint.
Anyway, I agree with the concept of the law of physics applying to all of us, and indeed, likely the entire universe, etc. however.. I think there's still room for "undiscovered territory" where we still don't understand the specifics of the stuff around us enough to make an educated decision about whether something actually defies physics or not.
For example, everyone's probably seen a Jellyfish and how it moves in the water. Water is, (in terms of physics) not much different from vapor that is "heavy".. and many, if not all physic laws apply the same to each. Air is vapor. Balloons of helium rise, just as bubbles of air rise in the water, and indeed, rise due to the same conditions.
So how could it be physically impossible to have something that floats through the air the same way the jellyfish floats through the sea?
I understand water displacements, but what makes anyone so sure that the air displacements aren't a similar thing at a different scale? After all.. how could Fish and frogs be suspended in the air from a waterspout and dropped with rainfall miles away, rather than just rise and then straight-out fall as soon as it was free of the waterspout? It's easy to disbeleive that kind of thing, along with rare fire storms and fire tornados that burn in ways that really don't make much sense at all and were disbeleived until right around the time of the Chicago fire, an entire town was erased in a single night.
Physics, (prior to the evidence showing them to be a reality) would declare firestorms and fire stornados to be impossible, and yet it certainly happens and for some reason it took quite awhile to "discover" it. I don't beleive it's a "break" of physical laws, it's more of an exploration of what the physical laws REALLY are. We don't know it all at this point, despite what every generation beleives their generation knows.
The world's not flat anymore. I think most folks around in those days just assumed we KNEW it all back then, and it was flat.. that's the way things were and nothing was going to change that. The sun rose and fell in predictable ways, while the flat Earth just sat here. Their technology and research wasn't up to the task of determining it was round until the heretics and heathens managed to prove it in ways that seemed undeniable. Currently, we can't even prove that the Earth isn't the stationary center of the universe.. we can prove it to be UNLIKELY, but that's not quite the same thing... if it's moving.. how fast is it moving in relationship to a stationary point in the universe? There's no known stationary point in the universe, so there's nothing to measure it against, therefore it might be stationary.
Also.. one man's magic is another man's science. If I flicked a lighter in the 8th century, I'd have certainly been considered a supernatural being. There's not a soul alive back then that could figure out what I did, unless they had the lighter to tinker with.
Is time travel possible? not yet, to our understanding, but we HAVE figured out how to SLOW time in an controlled environment.. it would seem a logical progression, and defies all understandings of physics until you also realize that we discovered that time is a wave that can be partially blocked by ultra dense material. THEN it starts to make some sense and requires us to redefine all physics relating to time because time is no longer a "constant".
What's antimatter.. does it exist? Sure, it's been proven to exist. if so, why not anti-time waves, and weird stuff like that.. unlikely? sure, but conceptually possible, which is a better chance than the concept of trapping blinding light from the sun in small glass orbs that could be turned-off and on at whim,.. Krylon-bulbed Flashlights exist, and I'd imagine they'd have been described in that fashion by quite a few people throughout the ages.
I don't think we know nearly as much as we think we do. Much like the dark ages was probably full of folks that felt they had it all figured out.. We used science to pull us from the darkness and shed light on many subjects. ALL subjects? nope. We're still doing that today, and probably will continue to do so until our species disappears.
For example, poltergeist activity is supposed to be a dead person moving stuff around.. really? someone decided a dead person must be doing that? I fail to see the connection, except in folklore, fairy tales, and fiction.
I usually don't share that view with folks, but that's kinda' my take on it.
I DO make the association with an "entity" sometimes, because it makes it easier to wrap my brain around. Such as a floating pitcher of water, dropped on the floor, associates easily with a sentient intelligence deciding to move something carefully and then just drop it when discovered. I'm careful though in an investigation, because assuming it's an entity can close your eyes to other options.
Who knows what that entity is though, or why it's there. I'll tell you a common thread though that runs through most of the "true stories" I've encountered; Look for the water.
Typically, an investigation will reveal that a "haunted" location is either very close to an underground water source, or a dried-up underground water source. I recognize that covers a lot of ground, but it would seem that there's theories developing regarding the ability to store visual information in dried water and certain types of wood.
It's suggested that these can replay segments of visual information, but there's nothing to suggest how it specifically works.
Even though the theory sort of limits itself to visual apparitions that don't react to the modern world, or any changes made since the recording was made, the common thread of water also extends to other types of "hauntings".
Personally, I've never experienced a visual haunting, where I saw an apparition.. but I've seen and/or heard things being moved around.
Other hauntings are things like voices on audio recordings.. those are neat, and I've run into some really cool ones, but EVP (Extra Voice Phenomenon) is too easily faked to be taken too seriously. However, if YOU control the conditions, and still end-up getting weird stuff, it's pretty damn cool... No one will ever beleive you didn't fake them yourself though. It's just a really neat "chill up your spine" moment.
"photo Orbs" well.. those have an interesting history, and I'm not into those. The other "ball lightning" orbs are pretty neat though. Some folks claim they've talked to them and seen it's movements seem to reflect answers, reactions, and/or moods. I'd love to be there for that.
Apparently, I missed a pretty good chance when I was invited to a retirement home in Tennessee to investigate some ball orbs witnessed repeatedly by staff members. They had ten witnesses to these orbs, in varying colors, going through walls, smoking and stuff, on a minimum of 17 separate events in various locations on the site. The only reason I didn't go was because the actual property owners were going to be away for a month, and had specifically told the staff that they wouldn't authorize an investigation. In other words, the staff was setting it up behind the backs of the owners, and that's not cool from a legal or moral standpoint.
Anyway, I agree with the concept of the law of physics applying to all of us, and indeed, likely the entire universe, etc. however.. I think there's still room for "undiscovered territory" where we still don't understand the specifics of the stuff around us enough to make an educated decision about whether something actually defies physics or not.
For example, everyone's probably seen a Jellyfish and how it moves in the water. Water is, (in terms of physics) not much different from vapor that is "heavy".. and many, if not all physic laws apply the same to each. Air is vapor. Balloons of helium rise, just as bubbles of air rise in the water, and indeed, rise due to the same conditions.
So how could it be physically impossible to have something that floats through the air the same way the jellyfish floats through the sea?
I understand water displacements, but what makes anyone so sure that the air displacements aren't a similar thing at a different scale? After all.. how could Fish and frogs be suspended in the air from a waterspout and dropped with rainfall miles away, rather than just rise and then straight-out fall as soon as it was free of the waterspout? It's easy to disbeleive that kind of thing, along with rare fire storms and fire tornados that burn in ways that really don't make much sense at all and were disbeleived until right around the time of the Chicago fire, an entire town was erased in a single night.
Physics, (prior to the evidence showing them to be a reality) would declare firestorms and fire stornados to be impossible, and yet it certainly happens and for some reason it took quite awhile to "discover" it. I don't beleive it's a "break" of physical laws, it's more of an exploration of what the physical laws REALLY are. We don't know it all at this point, despite what every generation beleives their generation knows.
The world's not flat anymore. I think most folks around in those days just assumed we KNEW it all back then, and it was flat.. that's the way things were and nothing was going to change that. The sun rose and fell in predictable ways, while the flat Earth just sat here. Their technology and research wasn't up to the task of determining it was round until the heretics and heathens managed to prove it in ways that seemed undeniable. Currently, we can't even prove that the Earth isn't the stationary center of the universe.. we can prove it to be UNLIKELY, but that's not quite the same thing... if it's moving.. how fast is it moving in relationship to a stationary point in the universe? There's no known stationary point in the universe, so there's nothing to measure it against, therefore it might be stationary.
Also.. one man's magic is another man's science. If I flicked a lighter in the 8th century, I'd have certainly been considered a supernatural being. There's not a soul alive back then that could figure out what I did, unless they had the lighter to tinker with.
Is time travel possible? not yet, to our understanding, but we HAVE figured out how to SLOW time in an controlled environment.. it would seem a logical progression, and defies all understandings of physics until you also realize that we discovered that time is a wave that can be partially blocked by ultra dense material. THEN it starts to make some sense and requires us to redefine all physics relating to time because time is no longer a "constant".
What's antimatter.. does it exist? Sure, it's been proven to exist. if so, why not anti-time waves, and weird stuff like that.. unlikely? sure, but conceptually possible, which is a better chance than the concept of trapping blinding light from the sun in small glass orbs that could be turned-off and on at whim,.. Krylon-bulbed Flashlights exist, and I'd imagine they'd have been described in that fashion by quite a few people throughout the ages.
I don't think we know nearly as much as we think we do. Much like the dark ages was probably full of folks that felt they had it all figured out.. We used science to pull us from the darkness and shed light on many subjects. ALL subjects? nope. We're still doing that today, and probably will continue to do so until our species disappears.
leegrisham
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I want to hear more about this time slowing device
gamerguy55
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Wow, Deadguy, I'm surprised anyone else here thinks about those things like that.
Ghosts? No. Not in the sense of a dead person doing things. Things that are unexplainable? Yes. Like Deadguy said, there is a lot that we think we know, that we don't. We may think that we've proven something that later will be proven wrong, and explained in a different way.
Light: It took us 300 years and countless methods to find the speed of light. The first person to try was Galileo, he was horrible wrong. The first accurate guess was by a man named Olaus Roemer, he used the eclipses of Jupiter's moons to estimate the speed of light, he was surprisingly close (140,000 miles/second[I think]): That was in the 1670s. The most accurate test was done in 1985 using a series of vacuums (vacuum c) and other complicated devices. The 'official' speed of light? 299,792.458 m/s. It took us over 300 years to get the speed of light anywhere close to what it actually is. Some people would argue that there is a variable in the speed of light, the speed of light is not constant, it changes, but I won't get into that right now.
Einstein said that nothing could pass or equate the speed of light, because as speed increases so does mass. What do I have to say to that? Not too much, I think he's right. Although, I do think that he missed something that is very important: Nothing other than light can match the speed of light because when matter reaches the speed of light it becomes light. I've spent a lot of time debating and discussing this with many different people. I think that light is a state of matter. Normally we associate states of matter with temperature, but when things get hotter their molecules speed up, I believe that if you were to speed them up to the speed of light they would become light, therefore creating a fourth state of matter. That's just a crazy theory that I've been thinking about for a while.
All time is based on light. We divide the world into time zones, but in reality time is different in 'every' place you are. If you are standing 3 feet away from me and are 6" shorter than me the our time is not the same. The sun appears to be in a different position to you than it does to me, and this goes for every square inch of everywhere. I say everywhere as in everywhere in existence not just on earth.
The faster you move the slower time goes, no that doesn't mean you can get younger by moving fast, it means that if I ran around the world faster than it was rotating and in the opposite direction you could go to a time that you were in, only in a different place. Time is all perceived through perspective.
Anyway, this is enough explaining for now. If anyone wants to add something, or discuss this: I'd love to.
Ghosts? No. Not in the sense of a dead person doing things. Things that are unexplainable? Yes. Like Deadguy said, there is a lot that we think we know, that we don't. We may think that we've proven something that later will be proven wrong, and explained in a different way.
Light: It took us 300 years and countless methods to find the speed of light. The first person to try was Galileo, he was horrible wrong. The first accurate guess was by a man named Olaus Roemer, he used the eclipses of Jupiter's moons to estimate the speed of light, he was surprisingly close (140,000 miles/second[I think]): That was in the 1670s. The most accurate test was done in 1985 using a series of vacuums (vacuum c) and other complicated devices. The 'official' speed of light? 299,792.458 m/s. It took us over 300 years to get the speed of light anywhere close to what it actually is. Some people would argue that there is a variable in the speed of light, the speed of light is not constant, it changes, but I won't get into that right now.
Einstein said that nothing could pass or equate the speed of light, because as speed increases so does mass. What do I have to say to that? Not too much, I think he's right. Although, I do think that he missed something that is very important: Nothing other than light can match the speed of light because when matter reaches the speed of light it becomes light. I've spent a lot of time debating and discussing this with many different people. I think that light is a state of matter. Normally we associate states of matter with temperature, but when things get hotter their molecules speed up, I believe that if you were to speed them up to the speed of light they would become light, therefore creating a fourth state of matter. That's just a crazy theory that I've been thinking about for a while.
All time is based on light. We divide the world into time zones, but in reality time is different in 'every' place you are. If you are standing 3 feet away from me and are 6" shorter than me the our time is not the same. The sun appears to be in a different position to you than it does to me, and this goes for every square inch of everywhere. I say everywhere as in everywhere in existence not just on earth.
The faster you move the slower time goes, no that doesn't mean you can get younger by moving fast, it means that if I ran around the world faster than it was rotating and in the opposite direction you could go to a time that you were in, only in a different place. Time is all perceived through perspective.
Anyway, this is enough explaining for now. If anyone wants to add something, or discuss this: I'd love to.
Overlord Ian
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Ive had strange ghost/demon experiences myself,doors opening, lights turning on and offf, and even simple attacks there have been times ive been "possesed" and act against my will.
BlacRoseImmortal
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Ok, I cant find my scanner (I think it was destroyed in hurricane Wilma) so i had to take a picture of it. Note that the upper left hand corner white smudge is flash, the middle part it the "apparition":
Seno Ypsamee
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lol, icwatudidtharchiefer said:
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RadioactiveMicrobe
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On the time subject. Time is quite a interesting aspect. It seems to always be pulling out new tricks to keep us baffled. The theory that seems to me as quite a groundbeaker is that light can travel in a alternate dimension. Just recently, a scientist conducted a rather simple experiment. He shot protons through a channel to a camera where he could observe them. He first used a simple filter. One with a rectangular hole cut in it. He shot the protons and observed that the did hit in a relatively rectangular fashion. So he then used one with two holes in it, much like a "pause" symbol. (ll) He then shot and was startled b the effects. the protons did make them in a relatively "pause" manner, but also had a horizontal bar cutting through. (tt) This made the known theory.
Now, if this theory is really true, could something similar to slipstream travel be possible? If we could harness the spped of light, would we find our selves in an alternate dimension? But is this even possible? Could we even achieve that speed? But enough of that.
With time, I have some theories of my own. It has been proved that speed does affect time, but what of gravity? If it was increased, would time eventually struggle under that weight as well? This lead me to think of black holes. If it is so dense in a black hole, SO dense that light cannot escape it, were you to survive being sucked in one, and not get crushed to death,wouldn't the gravity be so dense that time would ultimately stop in that area? It would just be like some one hit pause on your perspective.
Now, I'm not really educated, I'm only 13, so if anybody would like to continue or disprove my theories, I would love to discuss this.
Now, if this theory is really true, could something similar to slipstream travel be possible? If we could harness the spped of light, would we find our selves in an alternate dimension? But is this even possible? Could we even achieve that speed? But enough of that.
With time, I have some theories of my own. It has been proved that speed does affect time, but what of gravity? If it was increased, would time eventually struggle under that weight as well? This lead me to think of black holes. If it is so dense in a black hole, SO dense that light cannot escape it, were you to survive being sucked in one, and not get crushed to death,wouldn't the gravity be so dense that time would ultimately stop in that area? It would just be like some one hit pause on your perspective.
Now, I'm not really educated, I'm only 13, so if anybody would like to continue or disprove my theories, I would love to discuss this.
nightpicnic
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ya i definately beleve ive actually been in a few incounters and this may sound a little freakiy but i think i have a pev ghost in my bathroom cuz if i spend more than i min in there (taking a shower or something) i allwaise take a RIGHT WHEN I COME out and i see this orb rushing out of my b-room wierd.
it cant resist my hot bod lol
well i personally think that evrything we know is basicly made up i mean if u really think about it proton & atom are just words that we made up and for all we know we could just be some figment of some higher power i mean if there really is god (not saying im athyest) why would he even let us belive that stuff if it where wrong? there is just so mutch that we dont know that we want to know and sooner or later that is going to send the whole world into oblivion.
thats wat i think....
if that where true woldnt you turn into sound if you matched or exeded the speed of sound?
it cant resist my hot bod lol
well i personally think that evrything we know is basicly made up i mean if u really think about it proton & atom are just words that we made up and for all we know we could just be some figment of some higher power i mean if there really is god (not saying im athyest) why would he even let us belive that stuff if it where wrong? there is just so mutch that we dont know that we want to know and sooner or later that is going to send the whole world into oblivion.
thats wat i think....
if that where true woldnt you turn into sound if you matched or exeded the speed of sound?
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Deadguy said:
Hi Deadguy
To relate to what you were saying... The orb I saw bounced in a way reminiscent to a child's bouncy ball. It hopped in a rather energetic fashion (perhaps 2-3ft in the air) and did not slow. There was also no sound accompanying it. It did not buzz, crackle, or pop at any point. It was silent the whole while I watched it. This is one of the other reasons I don't think it fits well enough into an electrical explanation. With something electrical I would have expected it to dissipate, slow, emit crackling noises, or to bounce with less energy as it went along. It also, to me, didn't seem to take the path of least resistance. There was a little TV and an electric furnace but it neither came from or gravitated towards them.
I also find it very interesting that you said a retirement home in TN had a similar phenomenon. I am also in TN. My grandparent's house, where this happened is situated on several acres of woods. I'm not sure if that is significant or not. One of my dad's friends is 'sensitive' and he says he has seen playful/interesting things on the property. He didn't go into detail about what he thought they were, perhaps because the nature of it is somewhat mysterious or maybe because he felt that we might be preoccupied with any specifics he had. The land has always been a happy place though, a source of many good childhood memories.
As a side note, on the topic of the inexplicable
, my grandfather was successful at using Dowsing rods. My dad said he found water on several occasions when he was trying to dowse for well and garden locations. Pop pop mainly found where there was a stream underneath the acreage. After he dug up the land with his tractor, you could tell from the color and nutrient in the soil, that the land was indeed being nourished by water below. My grandparents were churchgoers and very committed to the lord, but they were also raised to watch the seasons and use folk ways (like dowsing and old remedies). I kinda remember him telling me that the switches he used for dowsing would find water because he felt the branch was constantly seeking after it.
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nightpicnic
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interesting....Vexona said:Hi Deadguy
To relate to what you were saying... The orb I saw bounced in a way reminiscent to a child's bouncy ball. It hopped in a rather energetic fashion (perhaps 2-3ft in the air) and did not slow. There was also no sound accompanying it. It did not buzz, crackle, or pop at any point. It was silent the whole while I watched it. This is one of the other reasons I don't think it fits well enough into an electrical explanation. With something electrical I would have expected it to dissipate, slow, emit crackling noises, or to bounce with less energy as it went along. It also, to me, didn't seem to take the path of least resistance. There was a little TV and an electric furnace but it neither came from or gravitated towards them.
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Deadguy
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heh heh.. I found this picture that someone took of my cigarette smoke. It was at the end of a ghosthunt, and since it had been a long hunt, I went ahead and lit up immediately (you aren't supposed to smoke during a hunt). Well, the lady behind me "felt a presence in the bush" and decided to snap a photo. I warned her that I was smoking and that the smoke might be in the picture.
Apparently that fact was forgotten as soon as she saw the picture. She was all kinds of excited, and www.ghostracker.com (now defunct) who was officially leading the hunt took copies of the picture and put it in all their literature claiming that it was an outstanding example of ectoplasm!
http://www.cassadaga.biz/cassadaga%20ecto%20fixed.jpg
You'll notice the filename.. you wanna' know how it was "fixed"?
The edge of my hand, still carrying the cigarette was in the picture. (they also cropped the top of the picture?) I warned the owner of the group that the AGHS wasn't going to approve of them posting that picture everywhere, pretending it was "evidence". The guy flipped out on me.. saying I had no right to try and debunk his evidence (apparently it was his now), that in doing so I was calling his reputation into question, etc, etc.
I said.. LOOK, there's my HAND and the very end of a cigarette butt.
He said, "We were standing together right there when she took the picture! you weren't smoking, I was right next to you!"
Me: "The hunt was officially over, and I was smoking upon the instant I got to that section of sidewalk. I even warned her as she took the picture... ask her."
Him: "You never said that to her and that's not smoke, it's ectoplasm.. why would you challenge me on it? I have credentials and years of experience. who the hell are you!? I was there!! I used to be a fireman!, I'm respected!"
Me: "It's my hand and my cigarette.. Take that picture down, or include an explanation of my cigarette, or lose your backing with the AGHS."
Him:"I'm a respected member of the AGHS"
Me: "I'm the only area Rep in the State of Florida, and it's my duty to weed out the nonsense like this so that this profession can be taken seriously. If I say you're out.. you're out. Fix it and we're good."
I never heard from him again, but I notice his website's gone... The town of Cassadega has taken the image as their own.. as part of the "ghostly history" of the place.. too funny how that works.
Ectoplasm is one of those things I never felt real convinced by.. but check this one out.. totally unexplainable, right?:
It sends shivers down my spine..
http://www.photographymuseum.com/doylefalg.html
The history behind this sort of thing is ridiculous.. That doesn't mean the concept itself is impossible, but to me, still rather unlikely.
Apparently that fact was forgotten as soon as she saw the picture. She was all kinds of excited, and www.ghostracker.com (now defunct) who was officially leading the hunt took copies of the picture and put it in all their literature claiming that it was an outstanding example of ectoplasm!
http://www.cassadaga.biz/cassadaga%20ecto%20fixed.jpg
You'll notice the filename.. you wanna' know how it was "fixed"?
The edge of my hand, still carrying the cigarette was in the picture. (they also cropped the top of the picture?) I warned the owner of the group that the AGHS wasn't going to approve of them posting that picture everywhere, pretending it was "evidence". The guy flipped out on me.. saying I had no right to try and debunk his evidence (apparently it was his now), that in doing so I was calling his reputation into question, etc, etc.
I said.. LOOK, there's my HAND and the very end of a cigarette butt.
He said, "We were standing together right there when she took the picture! you weren't smoking, I was right next to you!"
Me: "The hunt was officially over, and I was smoking upon the instant I got to that section of sidewalk. I even warned her as she took the picture... ask her."
Him: "You never said that to her and that's not smoke, it's ectoplasm.. why would you challenge me on it? I have credentials and years of experience. who the hell are you!? I was there!! I used to be a fireman!, I'm respected!"
Me: "It's my hand and my cigarette.. Take that picture down, or include an explanation of my cigarette, or lose your backing with the AGHS."
Him:"I'm a respected member of the AGHS"
Me: "I'm the only area Rep in the State of Florida, and it's my duty to weed out the nonsense like this so that this profession can be taken seriously. If I say you're out.. you're out. Fix it and we're good."
I never heard from him again, but I notice his website's gone... The town of Cassadega has taken the image as their own.. as part of the "ghostly history" of the place.. too funny how that works.
Ectoplasm is one of those things I never felt real convinced by.. but check this one out.. totally unexplainable, right?:
It sends shivers down my spine..
http://www.photographymuseum.com/doylefalg.html
The history behind this sort of thing is ridiculous.. That doesn't mean the concept itself is impossible, but to me, still rather unlikely.
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