Thorssoli's MkVI Costume Buildup

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Rednimnam said:
how much will u be selling the suits for cuzz im a poor 15 year old boy and dont want to spend much :(/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> also, i need a hi-res model for the helmet if im goign to make my own can u send me urs? and how do u size test. im 5'9 and supposedly i will grrow up to be 5'11 so the same suit shud fit me forever.

lol! I'm planning on making my own mongoose when I'm 15 :p

(AKA when I'm old enough to work.)
 
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agreed, if your new to the site this is a must read to see what goes into replicating armor. Plus it gives a time stamp too
 
I just got a PM with some questions about the details under the brim of my MkVI helmet by building up the area with pieces of styrene as seen here:

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I figured the answers might be helpful to post here, so here goes:



[sub]"1. Where could I get some styrene plastic? Do you think a ice cream container would be suitable?

2. After having attached the plastic did you put any bondo or resin on it?

3. Could I attach the plastic to the helmet using fiberglass resin do you think?



I was thinking of using a thin cardboard perhaps or mutiple layers of cardstock"[/sub]



Your local hobby shop should have styrene sheets. Most food containers are made of ABS or something similar and may or may not be easy to glue onto things depending on what sort of adhesive you use. Also, most food containers are curved in some way and you'll be trying to make them lay flat. Depending on what you're working with, it may be no big deal, but you'll have to experiment with ways to make it work.



While at the hobby shop, you can also find a CA-type adhesive such as Zap-A-Gap or the like. You'll need that as well as Zip Kicker, the spray-on catalyst that helps it cure faster. This is what I use whenever I need a quick and dirty way to glue a couple of things together. The glue will cure without the catalyst, but when you add the catalyst it's faster.



I suppose you could get away with layers of cardstock or thin cardboard too. You might also try mattboard like they use for matting in picture frames. You can find that at any art supply store.



Fiberglass resin won't work terribly well for an adhesive with dissimilar materials. The bond tends to be mechanical (as opposed to a chemical bond) and brittle. If you decide to go with cardboard or mattboard, you can soak some fiberglass resin into the detail parts and they'll stick, but it might get messy and it'll be hard to undo mistakes. Epoxy would work better, but the CA adhesives are quicker and cheaper.



When I did mine, I started by tracing the outside shape of the brim onto a piece of paper. Then I folded it in half to ensure the finished pieces would be symmetrical, Then I drew the details onto the paper template and cut them out. Once they were cut out in paper, I used them to trace the shapes onto some thick styrene. Then I cut out the shapes using a small bandsaw. Once I had all my parts cut out, I coated the whole area with a thin layer of epoxy and then set the pre-cut parts into it. Then I taped the whole arrangement into place and called it a night.



After I attached the styrene details under my brim, I probably touched up some of the edges here and there with bondo or some other fairing compound, but it's been about 2 years since that part of the project and I don't really remember the little details. Either way, once you've spent a bit more time tinkering with the materials, you'll get a feel for what works and what doesn't.



Remember also that when I was building my prototype I was planning from the beginning to make a mold and cast wearable copies. This meant that I could go on adding as much weight as was necessary to make it look right. The final piece ended up weighing a good twelve pounds and would shatter if dropped on the floor (this actually happened with my chest armor prototype). If you're trying to make a pepakura model wearable, you'll want to be careful when gluing on pounds of extra stuff. It might be fine for a few minutes, but if you plan to be out all day or night, those few extra bits might become uncomfortable.



Final note: I apologize for not having a worthwile update in a while. I'll be in the shop a bit during the coming week and if all goes according to plan I'll finally get the first pair of fully-functional boots built. Stay tuned.
 
It's not much of an update, but this afternoon I was back in my shop:

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While I was in there, I hacked apart my old bicep armor pep model, mushed up a bunch of clay, and then made the outside strip of upper arm and shoulder:

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More to come sooner or later.
 
Looks good. I like the method for adding in the line detail on the shoulder; it seems like it's a lot easier than pepping the high detail one.
 
Actually that was the high detail pep model. I just wasn't happy with the way the details came out, so I added a bit more using clay.



The portion under the shoulder kept coming out slightly warped when I built the model, so I decided it would be better to just go ahead and sculpt it out by hand. I'll be sculpting and molding a bicep part that will work for the left or right equally well. The plan is to make a sort of one-size-fits-all bicep. I'll have to do is sculpt a pair of molds for the triceps. Then when it's time to make them wearable, I can cast the three parts for either side, cut a strip of ABS or PVC plastic sheet to size for the wearer's arm, and stick each of the armor pieces to it.



My description might not be entirely clear, so you'll just have to wait for whenever I get around to taking pictures.
 
I'm still fine-tuning the bicep armor and I don't have any pics of that yet. At the same time, I've been tinkering with these parts:

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I've also been upgrading the space diaper:

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There's a few other things I've been tinkering with, but the thing I'm most proud of is my visor progress. I've never liked the look of the doubled-up motorcycle visors. They only really bend in one direction and the Master Chief's visor is more bubbled. I've been trying to find a way to match this compound curve and I think I've finally cracked the code:

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I'll need to grind the helmet opening down a bit more to fit it better, but I think it'll do:

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The visibility isn't perfect, but you have to sacrifice a few things if you want it to look the part. Here's a shot of the well-lit shop through the visor (I'd feel comfortable driving while wearing this helmet):

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I haven't perfected the methodology for making and metallizing the visor yet. When I do I'll try to explain it.
 
thorssoli said:
I've also started working on a notching arrangement which will keep the front and back halves in place while the armor is being worn, but I'll have to post about that later after I've finalized the design.



i have have a cheap easy solution that im using on my shins and probably torso for alignment. Legos.

JangoFett140 said:
Soory for the double but i haz update. got both shins done and finally figured out how im going to connect the two halves.

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i thought this one up last year, a way to make sure they'll stay together, lined up and sturdy. Legos. the website bricklink is like lego ebay and has every piece ever made for sale. i love this site.

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i plan on putting 3 on each side of a shin for a total of 6 each. ill epoxy the pegs on one side inside the brick and the just snap the 2nd brick on the other side. then line up and epoxy the bricks on the inside of the shin. You can get ones for $0.02-$0.03 each and buy from the same seller so shipping will only be about $6 (corrected). i may even do some thing similar with my torso. still working on that idea though. i post a little tut when i do this in a few weeks.
 
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Not much of an update, but here's a pic of one of my hand plate castings:

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On the inside, the castings have recesses molded in to fit snaps so they can be attached/removed from a pair of gloves. I'll post a pic or two of that when I get around to it.
 
Dude the visor is spot on! loving all of your work, you are a true craftsman. are you planing on doubling up on the bubbled visors? or is the process too hard to duplicate to match them?
 
GiR3892 said:
nice casting there thor is that the normal colour from the casting resin or did you spray it ?



I've been experimenting with adding color tints to my casting resin. It's near to impossible to get the same color every time, so I've just been having fun with it:

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So far the results have been entertaining:

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As long as I was screwing around with coloring my castings, I went ahead and made another cold cast aluminum helmet:

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I've also cold cast a couple pairs of handplates and a set of torso armor, but I neglected to take pics.





SwedishNinja said:
Dude the visor is spot on! loving all of your work, you are a true craftsman. are you planing on doubling up on the bubbled visors? or is the process too hard to duplicate to match them?



The visors themselves are vacformed in 1/8" orange acrylic using a cut-out designed to match the opening in the face of my helmets. The heated acrylic sheet is clamped over the cut-out and the air is sucked out from underneath, pulling the visor into the hole and making the bubbled shape. To get the mirrored finish, I lightly coat the inside with a chroming finish. The metallic coat does obscure the wearer's vision slightly, but that's the trade-off you have in order to get the look right. The main problem I'm running into right now is that it's very easy to rub the chrome finish off the inside of the visor. I need to find a clearcoat that I can put over it that won't completely ruin the visibility on the inside.



Since everyone's about to ask, I don't remember the name of the chrome paint I used, but it behaved very much the same way as Mirrachrome, which you can get from www.alsacorp.com. It's the same paint I used on my Jango helmet a couple of years ago:

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As well as my car:

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To get the ridges, my plan is to create a clear vinyl overlay that I can peel and stick to the surface of the visor. If I can't make that work, the next plan will be to make a vacforming buck with all of the ridges (you will find an example in the Legendary Armor build, so I won't explain it here). That way I can just make a visor shaped exactly like the one in the game. The problem is that my current vacforming rig doesn't pull enough vacuum to force the acrylic all the way into the recesses. Sooner or later I'll have more pictures of a new and improved visor.



For now, I've got a bit of a mess to clean up in the shop:

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Phenomenal work on the visor!! I'm excited to see it with the additional "layer". Two thumbs up!!
 
Finally a post with some decent pictures.



Here's a buddy of mine (who will be Grif whenever we finish this project) modelling the upper arm armor:

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This is me test fitting my cold-cast aluminum chest and ab armor:

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Here's my current progress on the calf armor (the tricep armor is in the foreground):

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I've done a lot of fairing in the last week or so. Here I am working on the forearms:

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And finally, here I am test fitting my ab plate v2.0 and two of the six pieces that will make up the space diaper:

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Comments appreciated. Stay tuned for further updates.
 
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