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Have you checked out OLED displays?

Yeah, OLEDs seem like the most promising technology to choose. Gotta find the right model, though - what I need is highly unusual, at least as a spare part for "end users". Here's what I mean, the white squares would be perfect (more or less):

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That one may actually be usable for the bottom part of the display... great find! It's the red one in the image above :)
 
@Ventrue so I suck with computers but i'm learning, so how would you program these amazing little beast's
 
@Ventrue so I suck with computers but i'm learning, so how would you program these amazing little beast's

The Arduinos? You type up the program on your computer in a somewhat simplified form of C and then load that program onto the chip, and once there it can run on its own. You should study their web page, I think I'm pretty bad at explaining this kind of stuff:-D
 
if i was to install a 5 volt fan, what would be the best way to wire it? i have a bunch of AA and AAA batteries but don't know if i'll need any resistors. i found a good site for tutorials on led's but none on how to find the resistance needed for fans at a certain voltage. if anyone could explain how i would do this that would be great! thanks!
 
Fans have the resisters built in. Connecting another resister will make the fan run slower or not let it spin at all.

All fans have a voltage rating, you need to stick to this. The small DC fans that you find at radio shack or computer store are rated 12 volts. These can run connected to a 9 volt battery.

My favorite fans are these, rated for 5 volts, I connect them to the same 3AAA battery pack as the LEDs.
Digikey - FAN 5VDC 50X10MM 0.8W 11CFM

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fan5vDIM by thatdecade, on Flickr
 
Fans have the resisters built in. Connecting another resister will make the fan run slower or not let it spin at all.

All fans have a voltage rating, you need to stick to this. The small DC fans that you find at radio shack or computer store are rated 12 volts. These can run connected to a 9 volt battery.

My favorite fans are these, rated for 5 volts, I connect them to the same 3AAA battery pack as the LEDs.
Digikey - FAN 5VDC 50X10MM 0.8W 11CFM

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fan5vDIM by thatdecade, on Flickr

hey thanks decade this is really gonna help me out!...one other question...because the helmet is pretty much not pourous with all the resin and fiberglass how would you install to fan to still move air throughout the helmet? would you have to cut out the area(s) that the fan is going and then replace that area with a breathable material?
 
I'm curious about the answer to that as well. I was considering doing exactly that with my Jorge helmet, using the ear pices to mount the fans in. The other option I was thinking about would be to see if there was enough room in the attachment to fit a fan in, and just duct it from there.
 
Grabbed my previous posts on the topic of fan placement in this thread. Thanks.

Placement of the fan is up to personal preference. My favorite place is near the mouth.

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Helmet Fan Mounted by thatdecade, on Flickr

Yes, you can run a 12V fan meant for a pc with a 9V battery.

Here is a link to the fan I get from digikey to sell in my store. It is similar priced To your radioshack one and the batteries will last longer because it can run on 3AAA.
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=259-1345-ND

I like placing the fan near the mouth piece. It is personal preference. Move the fan around to a location where it creates air flow in the helmet and is comfortable.
 
Thanks decade this explains what I couldn't figure out. I was under the misconception that you had to cut out a hole and cover it with some sort of vent to get airflow but now I see you just have to adjust it to where the fan can move air around the helmet. Thanks! This is gonna save me soooo much time! You are awesome lol.
 

Replying to the same post twice, that's a new one... :)

Anyways, just to give you some feedback and the warm feeling of having answered my question: SparkFun has that display as well (or at least one with very similar specs) and I felt I had to add one to my last order, considering the price. This thing is tiny, much smaller than the pictures suggest, and lacks the spacious breakout board. Just what I need.
Don't hold your breath for an update on my AR thread though, getting this to work might take a while. I just spent two hours soldering leads onto it and the only thing that is finished is my eyesight. 27 contacts on a 16 mm wide connector... that's just mean.
 
How many can I run (XLEDS-Colors and Whites-,1Fan) off of a battery bank of 4 AAA batteries? i know it equals 6 volts.

Thank you,
GakkenGod
 
ventrue, good luck getting that thing working. Very interested to see it in action.

gakkengod, can use a 330 ohm resister to connect your LEDs to your 6v battery pack. Wire the fan to the same battery pack, may or may not spin because 6V is a little low if it is a 12V fan. Will have to connect and try.
 
i know it equals 6 volts.

Not if the batteries are rechargeable. NiMH cells (probably most common rechargeables in that form factor) only have a nominal voltage of 1.2 V per cell, that would give you a total of 4.8 V. Keep that in mind, especially if you decide to downgrade to two cells - 2.4 V aren't enough for blue and white LEDs.

ventrue, good luck getting that thing working. Very interested to see it in action.

Yeah, me too... I still haven't read the rest of the datasheet, so I have no idea whatsoever what to do once I get the pins hooked up to whatever they need to be hooked up to. I'm totally walking blind here, it's just awesome :-D
 
Hey guys, got some more questions for you.

If I took a battery, such as <A HREF="http://www.robotshop.com/vex-7-2v-3000mah-nimh-battery-pack.html">this</A>

And hooked it up to a voltage regulator such as <A HREF="http://www.robotshop.com/dimension-engineering-3-3V-regulator.html">this</A>

Would I basically have a big power supply with a constant 3.3 volts going to my LEDs? I plan on getting <A HREF="http://www.robotshop.com/seeedstudio-5mm-common-anode-rgb-leds-100-pack.html">these</A> LEDs
And from what I understand, I would need to resist the red LED line, but the other 2 are both 3.2 volts, so a 3.3 volt current shouldn't overpower it right? The main reason I ask, is I'm working on a harness for my armor, it will have all the electronics wiring and strapping for the suit on it. But I plan to run all of my electronics to the left forearm to control my lights and possibly fans.

I don't really understand too much about voltage regulators, but from what I've read, it seems to do exactly what I want it to do.

My other idea was to get <A HREF="http://www.robotshop.com/sfe-lithium-polymer-battery.html">this</A> battery instead, and then just use resistors everywhere like normal. But I really would like to have a larger battery, so I can have one power supply to power most of the suit. The helmet will be separate.

Do either of these seem to be good ideas to achieve that? Thanks for your time!
 
@PsHWilliam043 your first Idea is the one I would go with it seem's easier it wont blow your LED's and yes the red LED's will need resistors. a regulator step's down the voltage and the current of your battery.
 
@PsHWilliam043 your first Idea is the one I would go with it seem's easier it wont blow your LED's and yes the red LED's will need resistors. a regulator step's down the voltage and the current of your battery.

No, not the current, just the voltage. Current and Voltage are not the same and there's no such thing as "3.3 Volts current"! The LEDs will draw as much current as they want, even at the supply voltage they're rated for, and that will kill them if you allow it. Depends on where your power comes from.

That regulator is pretty expensive anyways, a linear regulator will cost maybe a Dollar or two and would be completely sufficient - if you wanted to use one. What I would do is use three single NiMH cells (separate because separate charging is better for the cells and AAs are available everywhere). They have a nominal voltage of 1.2 V each, giving you a total of 3.6 V, which means very little power is wasted.
I'd avoid LiPo batteries, they need special chargers, are sensitive to just about anything and the advantages they do have don't really benefit you here. Use resistors for every LED or row of LEDs. What you shouldn't do is use them without a resistor or wire LEDs or LED-rows up in parallel without resistors for every single one. Doing that will damage them.
If you want to regulate something just for the fun of it, then you're better off regulating the current

Also, you can't use HTML in your posts. Just paste the links, the forum will make them clickable on its own.
 
Ah, thanks Ventrue! Sorry about that, I'm not terribly knowledgable with electronics. I've only wired a few simple projects and a lightsaber following some directions from thecustomsabershop.com

The main reason I had this idea was to be able to use more batteries for a longer lasting power supply. Is there a formula I could use to determine roughly how long my batteries will last with specified LED's at certain voltages? I assume Amps are the current, and not volts as I previously mis-stated. And most LED's are rated for 20v30 or so milli-amps or mAh, or at least I think that's how it was abreviated. Depending on how many LED's I had, and what amperage they drew power from, and then depending on my batteries and how many amps, or amperes I think they are also called, then I should be able to figure out roughly how long my batteries would last.

Sorry for my ramblings, but it helps me think. A basic formula would probably be something like Amps/power draw = Time or something like that? Please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Just, logically thinking, that seems like it would work. But its entirely possible I left something out, possibly resistance of the wires, though that's probably not much. But putting a resistor in the circuit might change the formula too... hmm, many things to compensate for lol.

Again, sorry for my wall of text. But I prefer to learn things instead of just having someone hand me the answer.
 
Just thought I'd go fishing with this idea. I have a few 8.4 volt, 5000 mAh batteries left from when I was in my R/C phase. I'd thought of putting two of them together for 16v, like my Traxxas E-Maxx uses.

What do you guys think about that as a power source for the entire suit?
 
The main reason I had this idea was to be able to use more batteries for a longer lasting power supply. Is there a formula I could use to determine roughly how long my batteries will last with specified LED's at certain voltages? I assume Amps are the current, and not volts as I previously mis-stated. And most LED's are rated for 20v30 or so milli-amps or mAh, or at least I think that's how it was abreviated. Depending on how many LED's I had, and what amperage they drew power from, and then depending on my batteries and how many amps, or amperes I think they are also called, then I should be able to figure out roughly how long my batteries would last.

Sorry for my ramblings, but it helps me think. A basic formula would probably be something like Amps/power draw = Time or something like that? Please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Just, logically thinking, that seems like it would work. But its entirely possible I left something out, possibly resistance of the wires, though that's probably not much. But putting a resistor in the circuit might change the formula too... hmm, many things to compensate for lol.

Again, sorry for my wall of text. But I prefer to learn things instead of just having someone hand me the answer.

LEDs have a supply voltage that varies with the colour (red has the smallest, and then up the rainbow towards blue it gets larger, symbol for voltage is U, unit is volt, short V) and a supply current (usually around 20 mA in standard LEDs, symbol is I, unit is ampere or short A).
Any unit can be varied with SI-prefixes (nano, milli, kilo, giga, etc., these all stand for a specific power of 10, see here). (But don't use them on your feet and inches please, only use them with SI units :))

Every battery has a charge that is measured in Ah (marketing usually dictates writing the value down in mAh, because 1000 mAh sounds better than 1 Ah, despite being exactly the same). What the value means is that the battery can provide a current of one ampere for one hour. Or half an ampere for two hours and so forth... you get the idea. The formula you need here is Q=I*t (Q being the charge in As or Ah for a time t in the respective unit), which can be rearranged to t=Q/I, so one 20 mA LED will last around 50 hours on a 1000 Ah battery.
However, keep in mind that the battery voltage will not stay constant during that time. It usually starts out slightly above the nominal voltage (1.5V per cell for alkalines, 1.2 V for NiMH), then stays somewhat constant for a while and then, when little charge is remaining, drops steeply. That means that you might not be able to make use of the full charge if the voltage drops below whatever voltage you need. LEDs will work with a voltage slightly below the one they're rated for, but that has a huge impact on light output. If there is a datasheet for the specific battery you want to use, it will probably contain a discharge diagram that plots voltage against charge, you can use that to determine how much is really usable.
Also keep in mind that it's not a good idea to draw large currents from a battery, they usually don't like that.

Some other formulas that might come in handy are U=R*I (R being the resistance in ohms, short Ω) and P=U*I (P being power in watts, short W). The former is Ohm's law and is used to calculate that resistor.

The resistance of wires is negligible, if the diameter is large enough. You can look the resistance per length up somewhere as well. But don't break your head over a few ohms.


Just thought I'd go fishing with this idea. I have a few 8.4 volt, 5000 mAh batteries left from when I was in my R/C phase. I'd thought of putting two of them together for 16v, like my Traxxas E-Maxx uses.

What do you guys think about that as a power source for the entire suit?

What do you need 16.8 V for?
 
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