Spartans In 'halo: Reach'

[killinghorne]

this gameis gonna be awesome

 

[CommanderFluffy]

maybe because they are all from other teams originally they have different colors... yes i know the books also said they all had the same armor and green colors... but who wants that? i think bungie wants some individuality.... or this whole team is a spartan 2B group made by oni side by side with the original spartan 2's in secrecy? but still not spartan 3's?

 

[Wasp2100]

Has anybody noticed Kat's helm:

Looks unerringly like this concept art here:

 

[turtle509]

has anyone mentioned the second class of spartan IIs. there was at least one other group of spartans trained after the master chiefs class, Kat-320 and Carter-259 are proof, the first classes id numbers only go up to 150. the unknowns from the trailer could also be from the second class.



* since the spartan 3 program was so well hidden from the rest of the unsc i doubt any of them will be present in reach, it was a surprise attack and the spartan 3s were sent to take out high value covenant targets as far away from other unsc troops as possible. this was because the brass didnt think it would be good for moral if word got out about them making disposable heroes. so most like;y no spartan 3s at reach, at least until some one can proove me wrong.

 

[Belakor]

... (borrowed from your photostream Belakor, hope you don't mind.)...

That's why they're there

Has anybody noticed Kat's helm:

Looks unerringly like this concept art here:

Most of the things in Reach so far seem to be based on concept material from the Art of Halo 3 book,both the BR and SR look a lot like the ones in the book and there's some similarities between armour parts. Makes sense really to use material they've already got that wasn't able to make the cut for Halo 3

has anyone mentioned the second class of spartan IIs...

Issac has mentioned the phase II Spartans a couple times early on, haven't seen much talk after that though. It makes sense though, I can't remember if I found this through here or just from poking around:

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/License_Plate_Eggs



They have some possible numbers for the new Reach Spartans, all but two would seem to be phase II's

KNO 320K - Kat-320, Noble One

KNF 239E - Sierra-239, Noble Four/Five (?)

KNF 266J - Sierra-266, Noble Four/Five (?)

KNL 259C - Carter-259, Noble Leader

KNS 000X - Sierra-000, Noble Six/Seven (?)

KNS 344R - Sierra-344, Noble Six/Seven (?)

KNT 052J - Jorge-052, Noble Two/Three (?)

KNT 293T - Sierra-293, Noble Two/Three (?)

 

[turtle509]

thats my theory, i'm pretty sure thats the case since all the other spartan classes have been mentioned either in books or games. i'm just happy they are finally using a whole squad of spartans

 

[CommanderFluffy]

SPARTAN BATTLE..... anyone think huge covie ship overhead thousands of grunts 5 teammates and another 5 spartans on the other side and go nuts... nukes?

 

[vector499]

This has probably already been mentioned, but Jorge mentions that the Lieutenant was a survivor from a planet called "Pegasi"



Pegasi (or at least Pegasi Delta) was one of the planets that was assaulted by the SPARTAN-III Program.



Only two SPARTAN-IIIs were known to survive.



PLUS, on top of that, the SPARTAN-III program was handled jointly by the Army and the Marines. This is made clear by Kurt's change in rank to Lieutenant Commander, which is based on either the Army or Marine system of ranks. This would also go a LONG way to explaining the 'Lieutenant's' rank discrepancy.



AND ANOTHER PLUS: Halo: Reach takes place BEFORE the Onyx incident, meaning that all of Kurt's group are still available to move around as they see fit. So, it's actually very possible that this "Lieutenant" is a SPARTAN-III.

i dont know the exact time frame but what was the time span between when kurt was kidnapped by oni and the fall of reach? also i recommend using the time line from halo wars for reference

 

[sierra092]

Theres also Headhunters. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't read Halo: Evolutions.

Also, I think that the covie ship blowing up was from when Fred put the nuke up the grav lift into a covie ship.

 

[Spartan137]

i dont know the exact time frame but what was the time span between when kurt was kidnapped by oni and the fall of reach? also i recommend using the time line from halo wars for reference

Kurt was abducted sometime around 2536, and Reach fell in 2552, giving you a 16 year timespan, which was plenty of time to raise and train three armies of SPARTAN-IIIs.



Tom and Lucy's activation was in 2545, which was 7 years before Reach's fall in 2552.



And if you're going to use any reference, use the Halo wiki. It's far more accurate then anything else out there.

 

[Tyvern]

"Didn't think anyone survived Pegasi sir." —Jorge referring to the Lieutenant. from halopedia of Jorge-052



@Isaac

Yes, you are wrong. Sorry to be blunt. The reason the S-III program had SPI armor was because it was cheaper then the MJOLNIR series, which I have no doubt it was. And when you're training 1,500+ SPARTANs, you want it cheap, especially since it's even more of a secret then the S-II program. The SPARTAN-IIIs had the exact same augmentation chems that the S-IIs did, plus a few extra. I have absolutely no doubt that an S-III could drive MJOLNIR armor just as well as an S-II.



@Queen,

Yes, you are right. Lieutenants CAN be Naval. HOWEVER, Lieutenant is SEVERAL grades above Master Chief Petty Officer. John-117 was the highest ranked SPARTAN-IIA of the UNSC, and was the leader of the SPARTAN-IIAs. If the SPARTAN-IIB program is anything like the IIA program, then they'll follow through. Likely, the cause of the FNG being a Lieutenant is because of his standing with ONI. Like Carter-259 said, the ONI didn't want him reading the Lieutenant's file. Question is, why? The SPARTAN-II's were very tight nit, almost always knowing the whereabouts of their brethren. So, my take on this is that the Lieutenant is INDEED an S-III, as even Dr. Halsey had no idea the program existed.



@Boryenko

I wouldn't say that you'd be playing as Kurt. Even though he, too, is a Lieutenant (Commander), I just don't see it. Now, as for time-purposes, it is very possible that it is a S-III. S-III Beta Company was activated in 2539, and by 2545, the S-III Beta company successfully destroyed their target, at the cost of the entire platoon save Tom-B292 and Lucy-B091. If this Lieutenant WERE a S-III, I'd put serious money on it being one of those two.



I'm going to agree with Underdogg13 here. Until we know for sure, the Lieutenant may as well be a 3 year old girl. We just don't know. All we can do is speculate.



I personally want to know about Jorge-052. His armor makes me think he's either a CQB or an EOD specialist. In the official Reach poster, he's holding what LOOKS like a big gun (Possibly an M-247 .50 Caliber Mounted Gun), which would indicate a heavy-weapons discipline. So we've got three separate possibilities on what he is.



And finally, I REALLY want to know about that Hellspartan. Definitely looks to me like he enjoys killing with knives, ruthless brutality, and painful deaths. I can't imagine that visor being particularly easy to see out of, though.



-from Spartan137



I gotta back Queen up real quick. The reason the rank thing keeps coming up is because it keeps getting screwed up. Lieutenants Junior Grade and Lieutenants are addressed as Lieutenant. Lieutenant Commanders are addressed as Commander.



The officer ranks typically break down like this:



Navy

O1 - Ensign

O2 - Lieutenant, Junior Grade

O3 - Lieutenant

O4 - Lieutenant Commander

O5 - Commander

O6 - Captain



MOST other services

O1 - Second Lieutenant

O2 - First Lieutenant

O3 - Captain

O4 - Major

O5 - Lieutenant Colonel

O6 - Colonel



Very important to keep this in mind when discussing rank.



- from MALICHEI



I wouldn't be surprised that Bungie has screwed them selves over with butchering their own fiction in a confusing loop.



VERDICT: Lieutenant is a S-IV or S-II-batch-BETA



Yes I SAID SPARTAN-IV, if you think I'm out of it........YOU HAVE NO IDEA.................................................

 

[Isaac 039]

@Spartan137

Alright, i'll admit defeat.

Just went back and reread, you were right.

But i still don't think its a spartan III.

 

[Spartan 051]

dont worry issac i dont think he is a spartan III i am with Belakor about the phase II

 

[Rosh]

Yea the high numbered Spartan thing occurred to me earlier today- I think that pretty conclusive that there was another Spartan program. Very interesting stuff. Opens a lot of doors story wise.

 

[spartan005]

well i guess its my turn to throw my 2 cents in on this topic. well first like a lot of people are saying throw the spartan 3's out the window there where only 2's on reach and there was no mark 2 group only one group of spartan 2's reading ghost right now and says that chief Mendez went back to the front lines to fight the covenant, so he did not train the next group like at the end of the reach book. next thing i don't like and from the post i have read no1 has picked this up there where only 2 Spartans that where officers Kurt-051 was a Lt commander and Fred-104 was a LT JG. so this lone wolf is an LT makes no sense. next thing that makes no sense is the armor yeah the helm on the lone and sniper looks like the MK IV from Cole but also doesn't and the chest and backpack and legs look like MK V's and the Eva is a bit different then the Eva in halo 3. and 052 has what looks to be a CBQ shoulder which is a MK VI variant armor.and yes like some1 else said all Spartan 2's got there Mk V's right before reach was attacked but Gray team because of being to far away to be recalled in time. so yes i have nitpicked the hell out of the trailer since i am watching it in HD on my 40 inch tv i can see the armor really clear so this is just my take on the topic that's all. and if any1 says that Linda is the sniper or on the ground again read the books again she was on the mac platform with john getting shot and almost dying. and this should be taking place during the whole platform mission to wipe the nav data on the prowler. so the Pillar of autumn is in orbit over reach at this time of the game.and also that blue flash at the end is not Fred and Kelly destroying the covenant cruiser that takes place after reach had fallen and had almost completed glassing the planet, sorry im a nut when it comes to the books and one more thing to me it sounds like spartan-052 is saying glassing not Pegasi but that's what it sounded like to me.

 

[turtle509]

im downloading the video with subs so we can finally decide exactly where the number 6 is from



Edit: ok so Jorge did say " I thought no one survived Pegasi", but there is also mention in ghosts of onyx that alpha company wasn't the first thing the unsc sent to pegasi delta.

so it is possible that number 6 was at a different battle in the pegasi system, but until bungie releases more info there is no way to be sure of his previous missions

 

[sierra092]

Bear in mind Pegasi Delta is the moon of 51 Pegasi. So bungie could magic up some stories about 51 Pegasi if they wanted to.

 

[jew]

lonewolf reminds me of rookie

 

[Spartan 051]

though if the lone wolf is a spartan III how can the commander read his file if Spartan III's doesn't have a file



EDIT: a fun side not "Spartians Never Die Jorge There Just Missing In Action" is said 1:17 in the clip

 

[Sepharih]

To be honest....i'm not quite sure yet whether or not I'm digging the new armor varients, and I've harbored that feeling since Halo 3. The armor suit itself, I feel, is a little bulky and too "gears of war"ish. I could deal with that, but what really bugs me is the helmets. Ok, each of them has different specializations, so it makes sense for them all to be wearing slightly differing gear, and it also makes them more diverse visually so that they all don't blend together. That being said; even in Halo 3 ODST they recongized the need for that iconic visage that the helmet gave, the thing that visually signified an ODST. The Mjolnir helmet is, I feel, even more iconic. Their not wearing it makes them seem less like Spartans, or at least Spartan II's, and more like some other kind of unit.