SavedbyGraceG12
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Knife is looking good! And a note on the computer problem. Is there a lot of clutter on your desktop screen?
Female GEN2 SCOUT Armor (Spartan Commander Sarah Palmer) Build [+ more]
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IshidaRyusei
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Mara, try doing a system defrag and clean-up.
Chiefwannabe
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I don't Know the first thing when it comes to computers (I just turn it of and on again) But the knife is looking sweet!!!
RobotChicken
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Get a Mac - problem solved.
Reclaimara
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Thanks! The knife seems to hate me... Never had even half trouble as with this knife...
As for computer - there is no clutter on my computer. I have SDD and HDD - on SSD is the system and pretty much nothing, while I store files and such on HDD. SSD runs a lot faster... should be.
I do defrag and clean-up very often. I tried EVERYTHING, I checked even if the SSD and HDD are alright, if there aren't any errors. Updated everything, BIOS as well.
I suspect it could be a hardware error.
I have 3.5GHz processor - at first it all was SO fast. I render videos a lot, first it took 1 hour, now - now it's impossible, it can get more than 5 hours, when I try to work in the program it's all choppy and such.
No idea why, as I didn't change anything, but processor seems to work a lot slower, like only on 20%, while I set it to be able to work til 99%.
When I observe, mostly the processor runs up to 20%, won't go higher. No idea, I tried every possible thing, that's why I suspect it can be a hardware error.
It bugs me, especially that I'm unable to do pretty much anything lately as I said, the rendering program has gotten SO LAGGY, that the video there doesn't even want to go smooth, it's like a terrible slideshow - unable to work.
Even if I have only my internet browser open, it lags often.
So, after checking everything - only hardware option remains. :/
Thank you.
Macs are crap (not to mention OVER 9000 times more expensive for the same hardware setting), wouldn't want an apple. I'd rather stay with Cortana.
Reclaimara
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Anyway, here is one side finished.
Reason why I did more wathering and scratches on the handle - Spartans have gloves with metal plates, the fingertips are covered in metal plate, so basically everything you're touching is through metal - metal + metal means a lot of stratches that is created faster. Hence the damage as I imagine whole knife is mate of some kind of metal-material as the Mjolnir armor... that's why more scratches on the handle.
Also, the dots and such is also either bit of damage or just mud and dirt.
Now off to the second side AND to somehow recover it... and I after the knife is finished I didn't forget, I'll still have to do the sheath.
PS. I know the combat knife Spartans have is just purely black-gray, but as my costime is also monochromatic (light and darker gray) with red details, I thought a smaller red detail on the knife would also fit.
I kind of like to add character to things - even by just adding scratches and weathering something, it adds the character, can make someone think about what happened to it, etc.
Reason why I did more wathering and scratches on the handle - Spartans have gloves with metal plates, the fingertips are covered in metal plate, so basically everything you're touching is through metal - metal + metal means a lot of stratches that is created faster. Hence the damage as I imagine whole knife is mate of some kind of metal-material as the Mjolnir armor... that's why more scratches on the handle.
Also, the dots and such is also either bit of damage or just mud and dirt.
Now off to the second side AND to somehow recover it... and I after the knife is finished I didn't forget, I'll still have to do the sheath.
PS. I know the combat knife Spartans have is just purely black-gray, but as my costime is also monochromatic (light and darker gray) with red details, I thought a smaller red detail on the knife would also fit.
I kind of like to add character to things - even by just adding scratches and weathering something, it adds the character, can make someone think about what happened to it, etc.
MysteryDragon
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The knife is looking amazing! I can hardly wait for the second side. The detail put into it is just...wow. :3
Reclaimara
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Thank you! I might focus on too much details sometimes, but I like it... I don't mind taking time rather than going too fast.
AAAAND I failed again today - the knife clearly hates me... I wonder why.
I removed all the paint, which was a pain in the butt.
Then - I forgot to prime it. -_-
So I had to remove it yet AGAIN... UGH.
At least now I primed it again and tomorrow I HOPE EVERYTHING WILL GO ALRIGHT AND I'LL BE ABLE TO FINALLY PAINT IT!!!
BUT, aside from the strongly-despising-me-knife I made some (big) progress with strapping the chest.
I won't go into detail now, but I spent months on planning the buckle/strapping 'system' there.
But now - as I did shoulders earlier, today I did the straps and buckles for the front part - tomorrow I have to only do the back!
It may sound as something easy, but I also put magnets there to hold the covers in one place, etc. etc.
After I finish it I'll show more what I mean.
Hmm. With 20+ years of active service tech under my belt ... a couple of thoughts.
"I defrag very often". I hope you are NOT defragging the SSD ? Because defrag + SSD = water and fire. SSD's have their own management and not only do not need but utterly hate defragging. The only thing you're doing if you're defragging an SSD is shorten its lifespan. You probably know that, but still i think it wouldn't hurt to mention.
Look what the machine does in Safe mode. Is it fast in Safe mode ? Problem will be 99% software related. Still same slow speed ? Hardware related.
You COULD be looking at a failing piece of hardware, like a defective HDD which your system desperatly tries to correct.
When I observe, mostly the processor runs up to 20%, won't go higher. No idea, I tried every possible thing, that's why I suspect it can be a hardware error.
What brand of HD is in the machine ? Even a badly defective HD can put out a "SMART Status OK" type of message, but the drive is actually dying.
This would explain the slow speed without the cpu being stressed. Your machine would be WAITING on the drive subsystem to get ready, which is currently trying to recover from a hardware error. Ah, and defragging a dying harddrive is probably the last thing you want to do ....
Yeah that sucks. Yeah that should not happed to a 10 month old machine. But I know drives can be dead even brand new so ....
Nearly all brands permit free download of a hard disc diagnostic tool. These days, most brands will belong to either Seagate (stuff like Seagate, Samsung physical drives ... all Seagate these days) or WD. Download the appropriate HDD diagnostic and let it run. I would not be surprised the tool will tell you the drive is on the way out.
RobotChicken :
Rant mode On.
Here's my take on this, with my ACSP certifications under my belt too ...
THAT (the hard drive vulnerability) by the way is the main issue with MAC's : their "health system" depends pure on the SMART system of the drive. And by all means, that is total BS and says totally NOTHING about the state of the drive. I've repaired Mac's which stated "Smart Status OK" only to discover the ******** drives were dead as doorknobs. Which you can NOT test on a Mac as there's no trustworth HD diagnostic software there : and I'm talking about mfg'er diagnostic software from guys like Samsung/Seagate/WD .... as they simply do not MAKE this for anything else but Windows platforms. Yeah sure there are a couple of HD diagnostics on OSX too, but the ONLY software that really does check a HDD or SSD like it MUST be done is made by the mfg'er of the drive and guess what, they do not make that for OSX. NONE of them !
AHT ? Does nothing else but read out the Smart Status. Again, totally worthless.
So yeah I can make a ISO thumbdrive or CD even with the software on it and I can boot from them on a Mac, only to find that on new MACs, the stupid USB ports won't initialize so I get the diagnostics started, but I can't bloody activate or control them.
Nice going Apple ! Or Apples with Micron SSD's : the system would simply revert to an earlier state, erasing EVERTHING you had before "the time machine effect" or leave your with a complete empty drive, without an OS even. I KNEW there was something fishy with them as I had dozens of customers with this problem on the Macbook Pro's, but it took Apple a full year to admit there "was a problem with certain batches of SSD's and they all had to be replaced". Yeah like I didn't know that already, bunch of idiots.
Defective GPU's ? 2 years later Apples tells us "ah yeah that's funny, those things did die, but we can now offer a free repair". Sure, by that time most of the affected machines had been scrapped anyhow as Apple's repair bill was so high nobody repaired those defective Macbooks anyhow. Smart people at Apple !
The times I've cursed Apple for their glued Imac design because of this, you would not believe. I bloody HATE Apple for this, and I've got a 27" 2012 Imac myself and a Macbook Pro. The times I've argued with Apple repair because of a defective drive which they THEMSELVES are not able to detect (Apple Repair simply throws a clean OSX install on the drive and if that works, it's "repaired" and they will ship it back to you as NTF (no trouble found) AND a bill even though the thing is in warranty) as their OWN certified repair points LACK propper software to do something so demanding as a full hardware check of a harddrive with the drive INSIDE the machine.
On older Mac's, I could disassemble them leaving little to no trace, take the drive and test it on a PC which -using the correct software- would clearly show "drive is defective and has to be replaced". These days with the glued shut Macs, doing that will void warranty. On the latest Macbooks, the SSD's are even fully integrated on the mainboard. SSD fails ? Data byebye, SSD byebye, Mainboard byebye. Oh yes, that's progress according to Cupertino.
So no, this is my LAST Mac. ***** them. I'm going back to PC for sure. Pieces of overpriced, obsolete-from-the-moment-they-are-designed crap. And I'm not saying this lightly and I as an ACSP, I do know a _little_ about Apple Macs and what can go wrong with them, as I am the guy who's got to repair them when they break down -and they do break down, not more often, but also not less often than any comparable quality Windows-based device. The difference is : with non-Apple based devices, you can actually have access to free and working diagnostic stuff that helps you to make a case against the mfger when need be.
Ah, and in terms of TCO (total cost of ownership) which is something Applefans like to wave with : my 2012 Imac has a 680GTX VGA part. The bloody machine costed 2500€ and is 3 years old. My son's PC is now hitting 7 years, running on a first gen I7 950 cpu. We both play Doom4. His machine runs circles around mine, because I could upgrade his machine for 100€ with a new VGA part that is about 3x faster than the overpriced, non-upgradable VGA part in my Imac which was top-of-the-line according to Apple back then. So basically, the 7 year old PC which costed half of my expensive Mac copes BETTER with today's software than my Imac does.
Around the same time, I bought a no-name I7 gaming laptop for my wife (generic Clevo design).
Came with a R290 which was totally NOT top of the line back then when Apple sold their customers the 680part as "nec plus ultra".
Result ? That laptop too runs Doom (for example) about 3 times faster than my Imac is capable of. And although "just" a laptop, it is actually much more configurable and upgradable than the Imac. The VGA part can be upgraded (MXM slot), the thing has 4 (!) SATA3 ports internally accessable by the user, so I can put in 4 SSD/HDD drives just by using a screwdriver.
And that machine costed 1/3th of the Imac with a warranty periode twice as long.
And before Applefans start yelling "ah but that's in games, in real world applications the Mac is so much faster and better" .... no actually they are not. Not even close.
My Imac came with the utterly crap "fusion drive" system which doesn't even allow SSD operation when running Bootcamp due to Bootcamps "can't install over 4th partition" limitation. Hence, any Bootcamp on a Fusion equipped Mac can NOT access the Fusion part, so of course the PC part will be slow as hell. Apple fails to mention that little detail in their sales pitch, and I actually know Apple fans using this effect to show "how fast OSX is compared to Windows on the same hardware". Morons.
And yes, you can prevent this by decoupling the Fusion drive. Which leaves me with 2 SSD partitions of 64gig each. That's a joke and unusable, not to mention that according to official Apple guidelines, this ACTUALLY VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY. So let me get this straight : changing my SOFTWARE setup can void my warranty ? Yep, only Apple makes it possible. Or you can use some ******* awefull version of a virtual machine like Parallels (the utter piece of ***** if there ever was one) which does allow you to use the speed of the Fusion drive system, at the penalty of falling back to 1/3 of the speed of the graphics system not to mention the loss of real compatibility in terms of such high tech cutting edge hardware as your USB ports as the emulation of those ports sucks monkey balls -being the most polite way to put it-.
Had to solve that by running the PC part from an external SSD over Thunderbolt (really elegant ! like NOT). Upgrading the internal drive ? Good luck. You have to tear up the complete Mac and after that, you'll still have issues as the temperature sensor of the Imac will fail afterwards, leaving your fans running at 6000rpm or so making the user bat****crazy as a result. Oh yes I can solve this, but those issues should NOT exist on a "superior machine"
.
On my sons old I7, upgrading is a question of opening the machine, swapping the drive. Ready.
Yes I could have bought a Mac Pro. Which would have costed me double of the Imac, and NOT be any better than my sons old I7.
Fact.
It's like Luckey Palmer (Oculus Rift) said : "we'll support Mac when they stop making crap machines".
Rant mode Off.
It bugs me, especially that I'm unable to do pretty much anything lately as I said, the rendering program has gotten SO LAGGY, that the video there doesn't even want to go smooth, it's like a terrible slideshow - unable to work.
Even if I have only my internet browser open, it lags often.
So, after checking everything - only hardware option remains. :/
As said, first try safe mode. Still slow ? Hardware. Most probable culprit : defective hard drive which in my experience is the source of 70% of all hardware issues on PC's.
As this takes us very much outside the scope of this thread, just contact me on email. With a bit of luck, I can identifiy what is going on with your machine as this is what I do/did for a living biggest part of my life.
And sorry to hear about the knife-that-clearly-hates-you. I hope I didn't contribute to that in some way today because I would REALLY feel bad if that would be the case.
"I defrag very often". I hope you are NOT defragging the SSD ? Because defrag + SSD = water and fire. SSD's have their own management and not only do not need but utterly hate defragging. The only thing you're doing if you're defragging an SSD is shorten its lifespan. You probably know that, but still i think it wouldn't hurt to mention.
Look what the machine does in Safe mode. Is it fast in Safe mode ? Problem will be 99% software related. Still same slow speed ? Hardware related.
You COULD be looking at a failing piece of hardware, like a defective HDD which your system desperatly tries to correct.
When I observe, mostly the processor runs up to 20%, won't go higher. No idea, I tried every possible thing, that's why I suspect it can be a hardware error.
What brand of HD is in the machine ? Even a badly defective HD can put out a "SMART Status OK" type of message, but the drive is actually dying.
This would explain the slow speed without the cpu being stressed. Your machine would be WAITING on the drive subsystem to get ready, which is currently trying to recover from a hardware error. Ah, and defragging a dying harddrive is probably the last thing you want to do ....
Yeah that sucks. Yeah that should not happed to a 10 month old machine. But I know drives can be dead even brand new so ....
Nearly all brands permit free download of a hard disc diagnostic tool. These days, most brands will belong to either Seagate (stuff like Seagate, Samsung physical drives ... all Seagate these days) or WD. Download the appropriate HDD diagnostic and let it run. I would not be surprised the tool will tell you the drive is on the way out.
RobotChicken :
Rant mode On.
Here's my take on this, with my ACSP certifications under my belt too ...
THAT (the hard drive vulnerability) by the way is the main issue with MAC's : their "health system" depends pure on the SMART system of the drive. And by all means, that is total BS and says totally NOTHING about the state of the drive. I've repaired Mac's which stated "Smart Status OK" only to discover the ******** drives were dead as doorknobs. Which you can NOT test on a Mac as there's no trustworth HD diagnostic software there : and I'm talking about mfg'er diagnostic software from guys like Samsung/Seagate/WD .... as they simply do not MAKE this for anything else but Windows platforms. Yeah sure there are a couple of HD diagnostics on OSX too, but the ONLY software that really does check a HDD or SSD like it MUST be done is made by the mfg'er of the drive and guess what, they do not make that for OSX. NONE of them !
AHT ? Does nothing else but read out the Smart Status. Again, totally worthless.
So yeah I can make a ISO thumbdrive or CD even with the software on it and I can boot from them on a Mac, only to find that on new MACs, the stupid USB ports won't initialize so I get the diagnostics started, but I can't bloody activate or control them.
Nice going Apple ! Or Apples with Micron SSD's : the system would simply revert to an earlier state, erasing EVERTHING you had before "the time machine effect" or leave your with a complete empty drive, without an OS even. I KNEW there was something fishy with them as I had dozens of customers with this problem on the Macbook Pro's, but it took Apple a full year to admit there "was a problem with certain batches of SSD's and they all had to be replaced". Yeah like I didn't know that already, bunch of idiots.
Defective GPU's ? 2 years later Apples tells us "ah yeah that's funny, those things did die, but we can now offer a free repair". Sure, by that time most of the affected machines had been scrapped anyhow as Apple's repair bill was so high nobody repaired those defective Macbooks anyhow. Smart people at Apple !
The times I've cursed Apple for their glued Imac design because of this, you would not believe. I bloody HATE Apple for this, and I've got a 27" 2012 Imac myself and a Macbook Pro. The times I've argued with Apple repair because of a defective drive which they THEMSELVES are not able to detect (Apple Repair simply throws a clean OSX install on the drive and if that works, it's "repaired" and they will ship it back to you as NTF (no trouble found) AND a bill even though the thing is in warranty) as their OWN certified repair points LACK propper software to do something so demanding as a full hardware check of a harddrive with the drive INSIDE the machine.
On older Mac's, I could disassemble them leaving little to no trace, take the drive and test it on a PC which -using the correct software- would clearly show "drive is defective and has to be replaced". These days with the glued shut Macs, doing that will void warranty. On the latest Macbooks, the SSD's are even fully integrated on the mainboard. SSD fails ? Data byebye, SSD byebye, Mainboard byebye. Oh yes, that's progress according to Cupertino.
So no, this is my LAST Mac. ***** them. I'm going back to PC for sure. Pieces of overpriced, obsolete-from-the-moment-they-are-designed crap. And I'm not saying this lightly and I as an ACSP, I do know a _little_ about Apple Macs and what can go wrong with them, as I am the guy who's got to repair them when they break down -and they do break down, not more often, but also not less often than any comparable quality Windows-based device. The difference is : with non-Apple based devices, you can actually have access to free and working diagnostic stuff that helps you to make a case against the mfger when need be.
Ah, and in terms of TCO (total cost of ownership) which is something Applefans like to wave with : my 2012 Imac has a 680GTX VGA part. The bloody machine costed 2500€ and is 3 years old. My son's PC is now hitting 7 years, running on a first gen I7 950 cpu. We both play Doom4. His machine runs circles around mine, because I could upgrade his machine for 100€ with a new VGA part that is about 3x faster than the overpriced, non-upgradable VGA part in my Imac which was top-of-the-line according to Apple back then. So basically, the 7 year old PC which costed half of my expensive Mac copes BETTER with today's software than my Imac does.
Around the same time, I bought a no-name I7 gaming laptop for my wife (generic Clevo design).
Came with a R290 which was totally NOT top of the line back then when Apple sold their customers the 680part as "nec plus ultra".
Result ? That laptop too runs Doom (for example) about 3 times faster than my Imac is capable of. And although "just" a laptop, it is actually much more configurable and upgradable than the Imac. The VGA part can be upgraded (MXM slot), the thing has 4 (!) SATA3 ports internally accessable by the user, so I can put in 4 SSD/HDD drives just by using a screwdriver.
And that machine costed 1/3th of the Imac with a warranty periode twice as long.
And before Applefans start yelling "ah but that's in games, in real world applications the Mac is so much faster and better" .... no actually they are not. Not even close.
My Imac came with the utterly crap "fusion drive" system which doesn't even allow SSD operation when running Bootcamp due to Bootcamps "can't install over 4th partition" limitation. Hence, any Bootcamp on a Fusion equipped Mac can NOT access the Fusion part, so of course the PC part will be slow as hell. Apple fails to mention that little detail in their sales pitch, and I actually know Apple fans using this effect to show "how fast OSX is compared to Windows on the same hardware". Morons.
And yes, you can prevent this by decoupling the Fusion drive. Which leaves me with 2 SSD partitions of 64gig each. That's a joke and unusable, not to mention that according to official Apple guidelines, this ACTUALLY VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY. So let me get this straight : changing my SOFTWARE setup can void my warranty ? Yep, only Apple makes it possible. Or you can use some ******* awefull version of a virtual machine like Parallels (the utter piece of ***** if there ever was one) which does allow you to use the speed of the Fusion drive system, at the penalty of falling back to 1/3 of the speed of the graphics system not to mention the loss of real compatibility in terms of such high tech cutting edge hardware as your USB ports as the emulation of those ports sucks monkey balls -being the most polite way to put it-.
Had to solve that by running the PC part from an external SSD over Thunderbolt (really elegant ! like NOT). Upgrading the internal drive ? Good luck. You have to tear up the complete Mac and after that, you'll still have issues as the temperature sensor of the Imac will fail afterwards, leaving your fans running at 6000rpm or so making the user bat****crazy as a result. Oh yes I can solve this, but those issues should NOT exist on a "superior machine"
.
On my sons old I7, upgrading is a question of opening the machine, swapping the drive. Ready.
Yes I could have bought a Mac Pro. Which would have costed me double of the Imac, and NOT be any better than my sons old I7.
Fact.
It's like Luckey Palmer (Oculus Rift) said : "we'll support Mac when they stop making crap machines".
Rant mode Off.
It bugs me, especially that I'm unable to do pretty much anything lately as I said, the rendering program has gotten SO LAGGY, that the video there doesn't even want to go smooth, it's like a terrible slideshow - unable to work.
Even if I have only my internet browser open, it lags often.
So, after checking everything - only hardware option remains. :/
As said, first try safe mode. Still slow ? Hardware. Most probable culprit : defective hard drive which in my experience is the source of 70% of all hardware issues on PC's.
As this takes us very much outside the scope of this thread, just contact me on email. With a bit of luck, I can identifiy what is going on with your machine as this is what I do/did for a living biggest part of my life.
And sorry to hear about the knife-that-clearly-hates-you.
I hope I didn't contribute to that in some way today because I would REALLY feel bad if that would be the case.
Chernobyl
Sr Member
Keeping an eye on this - this is meant to be a build thread, guys. Platform discussions tend to go south very quickly due to brand loyalty and perceived benefits those platforms have to offer, so let's leave it at 'Macs and PCs are good at doing different things' and leave it at that, lest things inadvertently turn sour.
Otherwise, this build is going stunningly well, and I've certainly learned a few things from keeping an eye in here from time to time. I hope you figure out a solution to your knife problem!
Otherwise, this build is going stunningly well, and I've certainly learned a few things from keeping an eye in here from time to time. I hope you figure out a solution to your knife problem!
MysteryDragon
New Member
I have to agree with going slow. I may not have any crafting experience yet, but there's plenty of things you pick up here and there.
That knife needs a stern talking-to as well. Ears or no ears to listen with.
I wish you luck!
-Mys
BlazedStarbon
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Mara, you're progress is stunning. The paint scheme you've chosen along with the weathering technique gives off a grunge look to every piece, including the combat knife. I like it.
Sierra 165
Jr Member
Looks really cool, can't imagine how much paper and cutting out that took, but u certainly have made it look really good
Jurassic
Member
I bought some boomco mags the other day for my build too since I saw how great they seemed to fit you. Plus only 15 bucks means a lot of fun in the hotel for my con. I'll be making an actual replica with magnets and such like you want down the road and I wouldn't mind sending you one when the time comes. I can't promise it would have moving parts since they seem to run off of more space magic than Destiny's hand cannons. But the thought is there
Reclaimara
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Just a rather fast update, because today has been a good day for most part.
I was lucky, with everything!
YAY!
But the weather sucked - it has been POURING for half of the day and now in the night.
But, I managed to get the knife mostly done - I'll post pictures after I'll finish it, though.
Where I made most of the progress was the chest piece!
I managed not only to finish attaching buckles and straps, but I also connected the front bottom part to the chest.
Sooo... This is how it looks all assembled together. Ta-da.
I'm happy, because I was struggling with these parts for quite some time... now only to find a good solution for the shoulder pieces, heh.
Fast update as I'm going to bed - will answer to you tomorrow.
I was lucky, with everything!
YAY!
But the weather sucked - it has been POURING for half of the day and now in the night.
But, I managed to get the knife mostly done - I'll post pictures after I'll finish it, though.
Where I made most of the progress was the chest piece!
I managed not only to finish attaching buckles and straps, but I also connected the front bottom part to the chest.
Sooo... This is how it looks all assembled together. Ta-da.
I'm happy, because I was struggling with these parts for quite some time... now only to find a good solution for the shoulder pieces, heh.
Fast update as I'm going to bed - will answer to you tomorrow.
Lt Shiny Sides
Jr Member
OK Mara, what's the hold up? As Commander, you do have responsibilities ya know! Lol, don't let the weather get ya down.
Dirtdives2424
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That's right!!! Get back it to that dank dark basement and get back to work.........stop this gold-bricking you lazy laggard...... oh, your almost done.......well then that's fine then. Good job.
Charlie117
Member
very nice, thats what i was talking about lol , clever!!! do you use rondo on the outside peps too or normal bondo?
Lt Shiny Sides
Jr Member
You do realize that Bondo is a brand and not a thing, right? It's a brand with an entire lineup of products, to include resin and body filler, which people use on their armor.
Charlie117
Member
yup i know is a brand but thats how we mention it on forums or at the facebook page because it would be silly to just say hey do you use 3m or another company name that makes it. she knows what am talking about lol
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