"Help!" for: Fiberglassing, Resin, & Bondo

[JayOneSeven]

Awesome thanks dude. Saw it at Walmart but thought the tin looked a little different from the ones I saw in a tutorial. I'll go pick it up :]

 

[morkar78]

Hi guys. I'm thinking about using water resin instead of the normal resin. I've been told that is not toxic and it can be used inside with no big precaution. Have someone of you ever used it? Same results? Is as good as the regular resin?

 

[JayOneSeven]

Hi guys. I'm thinking about using water resin instead of the normal resin. I've been told that is not toxic and it can be used inside with no big precaution. Have someone of you ever used it? Same results? Is as good as the regular resin?

Hey Morkar.
I think you'll find this video of Creral Kill3r very insightful when comparing and contrasting the two resins (and if you have't already checked out his build in the Elite forum, go do that!). I believe the only downside to water resin is the price increase, everything else is the same.
Check it out, it's a lot of help

 

[morkar78]

I've missed this video! cool...thanks Jay

 

[JayOneSeven]

I've missed this video! cool...thanks Jay

No problem, Cereal Kill3r has made some amazing stuff so I'm following his videos like a hawk lol. I want to follow his techniques and what not for my own final build which will be an iron man build, but for now I'm practicing on small Skyrim pieces to get the technique down Good luck man, look forward to seeing what you can do now you don't have to work outside in the Boston snow.

 

[Monk358]

Just wondering what you guys are using to spread your bondo?

 

[morkar78]

I bought these spreaders:

http://www.amazon.com/3M-357-Bondo-...qid=1382636992&sr=8-2&keywords=bondo+spreader

and they're amazing: very easy to clean before use just with a not sharp knife...I cut a couple of them to spread the bondo in small details and you can do a lot of pressure to make the layers as thin as you want

 

[Carpathia]

That's exactly what I use as well. They can often be found in the same section that you'd find the cans if resin and bondo.

 

[Virti]

Ok another quick question whats the coldest temperature outside that I can use bondo brand resin without adding extra hardener? (being in a state surrounded by lakes makes the temperature drop tremendously very fast)

-Virti

 

[Carpathia]

Ok another quick question whats the coldest temperature outside that I can use bondo brand resin without adding extra hardener? (being in a state surrounded by lakes makes the temperature drop tremendously very fast)

-Virti

According to the directions written right on the can, the minimum temperature you can use it in is 40 degrees Fahrenheit. However, at that temperature, even up to 50 degrees, I would still add a little extra hardener.

 

[Chainsaw ninja]

Ok I'm going to do a full suit and I'd like to know if rondo is a good alternative for fiberglass mat, or if I could put fiberglass mat in rondo when it's applied. Also a very good way of putting rondo in specific areas is using a turkey baster found that neat trick out when doing my helmet.

 

[omgwaffles]

Hey guys. Im new here. Im gathering supplies to start my own build. How do I go about getting Aqua Resin?
I live overseas and cannot find a company that ships Aqua Resin.

 

[Katsu]

Ok I'm going to do a full suit and I'd like to know if rondo is a good alternative for fiberglass mat, or if I could put fiberglass mat in rondo when it's applied. Also a very good way of putting rondo in specific areas is using a turkey baster found that neat trick out when doing my helmet.

The short answer is sort of, and yes, and ewww...

1) Rondo pours easily, and can quickly give hardness to a piece, but bondo is VERY brittle, and the rondo will be at least 50% bondo. Every piece I've ever broken was a rondo-only piece, from long drops (4ft) short drops (2ft) and leaning on them. I personally ascribe to the method of: Rondo -> fiberglass resin + cloth x2/3 -> Rondo. The first coat of rondo acts as a buffer you can grind into from the outside, and a smoothing layer so the fiberglass cloth can lay without bubbles (something it does on sharp edges and indents) the 2-3 fiberglass layers strengthen the piece, and the last rondo layer is a thin layer to cover any burrs or prickles in the fiberglass layer.

2) Some people have done mat/cloth with rondo.. It's not a GREAT idea, but it can work in a pinch I guess. The main problem is, the bondo inhibits the ability of the resin to properly soak into the cloth, so the fiberglass will be more brittle. A better thing I've seen is for people to chop up the cloth and then mix it in with a 50/50 mix of rondo.. That will make "hairy rondo" which can be useful for stronger rondo pours.. It will still be substantially worse for weight:strength ratios than rondo and fiberglass separate.

3) A turkey baster is an interesting idea.. I'd make sure it is flexible as anything bendy can be bent to snap the rondo/bondo off of it for easy cleaning.

Hey guys. Im new here. Im gathering supplies to start my own build. How do I go about getting Aqua Resin?
I live overseas and cannot find a company that ships Aqua Resin.

It has other names in non-US countries. A good starting point I've seen is "Jesmonite" which is the European equivalent to Aqua Resin. If you are in a place where you can't get aqua resins at all, I'd look into the foam method or maybe just buckling down and finding a place where you can use auto body filler.

If you let us know what country you're in and what your price range is, we may be able to better help you find a water based resin.

 

[Chainsaw ninja]

Thanks Katsu so resin and cloth can go on top of rondo? and yes it was fairly flexible and I could clean the dried remains out

 

[Katsu]

"On top of" meaning if you hold the armor upside down and look inside. It's better to think of it as first second third. So for a helmet I'd pour rondo in first, then I'd lay fiberglass inside on top of the rondo second, and then pour rondo on top of the fiberglass third. Obviiously none of this would go on the outside as rondo and glass will cover up any details on the helmet.

 

[NITEPUNISHER]

Hello, new to the world of halo costume building. i have been working on a ODST suit and i got the fiber glassing down, but when it comes to the bondo part. After i put it on and let it harden I get some small holes on my armor. just wondering if this is normal.

 

[Katsu]

That is what bondo does. Generally if they are small enough, you fill them in with Bondo Spot Putty (Sometimes called Glazing Putty). Which is specifically designed to patch the tiny bubbles. if you are getting large craters or the like, then you are laying the bondo on too thickly, or should consider using a spreader.

 

[Ghost Bear 027]

Yeah mate. Little holes are normal. Big gulleys or valleys in the stuff and you're stacking on too much at once. Spotting putty is worth its weight in gold come finishing time and you can get it pretty cheap at a lot of auto and home improvement stores. Good luck with the build. Research, read, watch videos, and research some more. Then do it again. There's good ideas every time you do.

 

[omgwaffles]

It has other names in non-US countries. A good starting point I've seen is "Jesmonite" which is the European equivalent to Aqua Resin. If you are in a place where you can't get aqua resins at all, I'd look into the foam method or maybe just buckling down and finding a place where you can use auto body filler.

If you let us know what country you're in and what your price range is, we may be able to better help you find a water based resin.

Thanks, I'm in Japan. Not sure how much its price range is really, but any ideas would be great; from cheapest to most expensive.

 

[Dorvack]

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