Lhc

[gamerguy55]

I've heard of those micro black holes, before. I don't remember exactly where, though. When you said that a black hole might be created, I thought that's what you were talking about. I need sleep... Anyway, wouldn't it require a 'lot' more matter to create a full-sized (not that I know how to measure one) black hole? No matter what speed the matter was going?

Edit:

Hehe, "micro black holes" reminds me of the description of how a UNSC slipspace engine was supposed to work.

Shaw-Fujikawa?



Edit2(because I don't want to post again.):

its not 'to the power of' is it?

Yup.


Velocity = speed/direction. In what I said, the direction that it was moving was not relevant, just the fact that it was moving.

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

I've heard of those micro black holes, before. I don't remember exactly where, though. When you said that a black hole might be created, I thought that's what you were talking about. I need sleep... Anyway, wouldn't it require a 'lot' more matter to create a full-sized (not that I know how to measure one) black hole? No matter what speed the matter was going?

Velocity. In physics, velocity is a better term.

Anyways, rants made by my senile physics teacher aside, yeah, you'd need a LOT of matter to make a full-sized black hole... as in like a couple million Sun's worth.

 

[flying squirl]

hmm, i cant rember where i read this but apperently you have a 10^-11 chance of evaporating while shaving and the LHC's chances at decimating the universe are 10^-19. not too sure what the ^- bit means but it looks good. (its not 'to the power of' is it?). i love the idea that if they miss, the speeded up particles have the energy to blast through a hell of a lot of stone. i can just image the news "...it seems part of the alps have just been blasted into orbit..."
probibly why its underground. (its underground right?)

huh, just out of curiosity could this be used as a weapon?
i have a feeling the particles would loose alot of their energy over any distance without the whole super-cooled-magnets thing.

EDIT: hey lookadat, 1100 posts. i need sleep

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

hmm, i cant rember where i read this but apperently you have a 10^-11 chance of evaporating while shaving and the LHC's chances at decimating the universe are 10^-19. not too sure what the ^- bit means but it looks good. (its not 'to the power of' is it?). i love the idea that if they miss, the speeded up particles have the energy to blast through a hell of a lot of stone. i can just image the news "...it seems part of the alps have just been blasted into orbit..."
probibly why its underground. (its underground right?)

huh, just out of curiosity could this be used as a weapon?
i have a feeling the particles would loose alot of their energy over any distance without the whole super-cooled-magnets thing.

the Covenant beam rifle supposedly does the same sort of thing. So maybe.

Yes it's underground.

Yes, the ^ is to the power of. It's 10 to the -19th power, which means that it's got a 1/10000000000000000000 chance of killing us all. i'm willing to take those chances.

Also, a proton wouldn't launch anything into orbit. At the worst, it'd find its way into some unknown uranium deposit and cause a spontaneous nuclear reaction or something stupid like that (even though they actually use neutrons. Shut up >.< lol)

 

[rvb4life]

its all a bunch of crap.


The LHC is not a doomsday machine, it is probably our greatest experiment, its power will help us understand the Higgs Boson, or God Particle, which is said to have helped in the Big Bang. I think we should appreciate CERN for making this thing.


and Odessa, I would like to see that paper, if you can post it.

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

its all a bunch of crap.
The LHC is not a doomsday machine, it is probably our greatest experiment, its power will help us understand the Higgs Boson, or God Particle, which is said to have helped in the Big Bang. I think we should appreciate CERN for making this thing.
and Odessa, I would like to see that paper, if you can post it.

Yeah, I think it'd be an interesting read... Assuming I can understand most of the terms (only a junior in high school)

 

[BlacRoseImmortal]

This is quite mind boggling, who needs to go to college when I can just read what you guys talk about here?

"well, the protons and the neutrons and the croutons......"

 

[flying squirl]

Yes, the ^ is to the power of. It's 10 to the -19th power, which means that it's got a 1/10000000000000000000 chance of killing us all. i'm willing to take those chances.

1/10, 000,000,000,000,000,000
so thats a one to the power of ten million billion chance if eveything imploding. (huh, is a million billion a trillian? i was useless at math. althoe i did love the long differentiation with the delta X etc. i was good that that)

Also, a proton wouldn't launch anything into orbit. At the worst, it'd find its way into some unknown uranium deposit and cause a spontaneous nuclear reaction or something stupid like that (even though they actually use neutrons. Shut up >.< lol)

hahaha, now that would be supprising.

and Odessa, I would like to see that paper, if you can post it.

second that

"well, the protons and the neutrons and the croutons......"

hahaha, i had a propper laugh out loud moment. thanks

 

[rvb4life]

This is quite mind boggling, who needs to go to college when I can just read what you guys talk about here?

"well, the protons and the neutrons and the croutons......"

you forgot the electrons and the ranch dressing

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

you forgot the electrons and the ranch dressing

You edited. FAIL.

1/10, 000,000,000,000,000,000
so thats a one to the power of ten million billion chance if eveything imploding. (huh, is a million billion a trillian? i was useless at math. althoe i did love the long differentiation with the delta X etc. i was good that that)

1 OVER ten QUINTILLION. :-D million billion is quadrillion. thousand billion is trillion. You miscounted your 0's.

 

[anonymous]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bloodl3tt3r @ Sep 9 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, a proton wouldn't launch anything into orbit. At the worst, it'd find its way into some unknown uranium deposit and cause a spontaneous nuclear reaction or something stupid like that (even though they actually use neutrons. Shut up >.< lol)</div>

They are using protons.

 

[BlacRoseImmortal]

You edited. FAIL.
1 OVER ten QUADRILLION. :-D million billion is quadrillion. thousand billion is trillion.

....And you claim your a Junior in Highschool?................................. I can just feel my brain crying right now...

Information overload!

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

They are using protons.

I know, I meant that nuclear reactions with uranium use neutrons.

....And you claim your a Junior in Highschool?................................. I can just feel my brain crying right now...

Information overload!

But... but... I'm ASIAN. My parents make me know all this. But seriously, only a junior, I think I read too many books when I was little.

 

[rvb4life]

...i know....
1 OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!. :-D million billion is quadrillion. thousand billion is trillion. You miscounted your 0's.

fixed it for ya

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

fixed it for ya

Ha, nice. Well done.

Yes, ten quintillion is OVER 9000!!!

 

[flying squirl]

1 OVER ten QUINTILLION.

now THAT sounds impressive!!

heh, this reminds me of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy "...the chances of being picked up by another ship while floating in outer space are 2 to the power of 2079460347:1. which by a series of staggering coincidencies is the phone number of the Arlington flat where Arther met a very nice girl whom he totaly blew it with"

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

now THAT sounds impressive!!

heh, this reminds me of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy "...the chances of being picked up by another ship while floating in outer space are 2 to the power of 2079460347:1. which by a series of staggering coincidencies is the phone number of the Arlington flat where Arther met a very nice girl whom he totaly blew it with"

Bloodl3tt3r remembers this quote from the movie and thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[tipper]

I'm a little tired of everyone saying Wednesday at 12:00 p.m. GWT the world is going to end. It's not, and could actually better the world.

On Wednesday, they are only going to test fire the protons one way. They aren't actually going to fire both ways until some time next month.

Also, the chances of the world imploding are estimated to be 1 to 1 x 10 ^-19. I believe those chances are actually a lot lower (meaning there are more zeroes), mainly because some of the top physicists of the world state that the chance of implosion and miniature black hole creation is almost impossible. I asked both of my parents about this (Granted they both have masters degrees in chemistry), and they both said there is nothing to be worried about, because we have been colliding protons for such a long time, all of the risks and elements of danger are pretty much eliminated.

The entire point of the LHC is to recreate the conditions soon after the Big Bang and start to understand a bit more about atomic structure (the breaking up of protons, neutrons and electrons to even smaller subatomic particles), dark matter, and other mysteries of the atom.

For those of us who are not top university level prospects (I think it is honour students in the US), the small atoms have an even smaller nucleus that contain a bunch of different smaller particles.

Small particles shattering = small boom

Small particles colliding = new scientific discoveries = good.

Small particles splitting = Big boom

?

Odds are, the LHC isn't going to cause any implosions. If anything, the LCH would cause another big bang because of it's recreations soon after it. Even then, the odds of that happening are so incredibly low, they are impossible to measure.

I'm not making this up or copy and pasting it either, this is years of chemistry knowledge being forced into my brain by teachers and parents.

I'm going to go pour water on my head now because I smell smoke.

 

[Bloodl3tt3r]

I'm a little tired of everyone saying Wednesday at 12:00 p.m. GWT the world is going to end. It's not, and could actually better the world.

On Wednesday, they are only going to test fire the protons one way. They aren't actually going to fire both ways until some time next month.

Also, the chances of the world imploding are estimated to be 1 to 1 x 10 ^-19. I believe those chances are actually a lot lower (meaning there are more zeroes), mainly because some of the top physicists of the world state that the chance of implosion and miniature black hole creation is almost impossible. I asked both of my parents about this (Granted they both have masters degrees in chemistry), and they both said there is nothing to be worried about, because we have been colliding protons for such a long time, all of the risks and elements of danger are pretty much eliminated.

The entire point of the LCH is to recreate the conditions soon after the Big Bang and start to understand a bit more about atomic structure (the breaking up of protons, neutrons and electrons to even smaller subatomic particles), dark matter, and other mysteries of the atom.

For those of us who are not top university level prospects (I think it is honour students in the US), the small atoms have an even smaller nucleus that contain a bunch of different smaller particles.

Small particles shattering = small boom

Small particles colliding = new scientific discoveries = good.

Small particles splitting = Big boom

?

Odds are, the LCH isn't going to cause any implosions. If anything, the LCH would cause another big bang because of it's recreations soon after it. Even then, the odds of that happening are so incredibly low, they are impossible to measure.

I'm not making this up or copy and pasting it either, this is years of chemistry knowledge being forced into my brain by teachers and parents.

I'm going to go pour water on my head now because I smell smoke.

psssst... it's LHC, not LCH. Just to let you know.

In the US, it's either Honors or AP students (depends, AP = Advanced Placement = At the end of the course you take a test and if you do well enough you get college credit-hours).


And besides, this is more physics than chemistry.

 

[Odessa 086]

Thanks for commenting on my post, those of you who did. I'd like to post my paper here, actually, as long as someone tells me the best way to post a few MB worth of text and pictures, post after post or...
I've always had an immense interest in physics, especially nuclear and astrophysics.

I am amused (and somewhat infuriated) by groups of people petitioning against the Hadron Collider experiment, it's just...ignorance, I think. Personally, I can't think of many other things that make me more thrilled than this experiment, I can't wait to see what findings will come up from it.